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welcome back to uab studies today we

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have kathleen martin who is returning on

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the podcast and we are more than happy

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to have her on

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she is a true pioneer in the field of um

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well not only ufology but also abduction

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phenomenon and she has worked her butt

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off over the years to bring us uh great

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information on the subject of course her

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newest book forbidden knowledge a

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personal journey from alien abduction to

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spiritual transformation has just been

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released

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we are going to talk about that as well

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but first i want to welcome louis borges

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back to the podcast my man how's it

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going it's going very good thanks for

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having me again and uh very excited

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about our guest uh today we're both big

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fans of her work and uh we love having

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very credible people on the show people

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that have sort of stood the test of time

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in this topic uh many don't so

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yeah today we have an author a ufologist

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an experiencer an advocate

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she's a hypnosis practitioner a

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conference presenter she's a recipient

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of the 2021 ufo congress lifetime

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achievement award we could go on all day

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but let's bring kathleen martin on the

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show welcome

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thank you great to be back

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so we wanted to sort of ask you many of

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you many people know who you are but

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some people may not so tell us a little

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bit about your history what got you into

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this topic uh you know being the niece

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of a very famous abduction case betty

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and bernie hill and then how that sort

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of led into you becoming an author and

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then where we are today with your uh

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most uh recent book forbidden knowledge

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be happy to well i

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had arrived home from school when i was

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13 years old and my mother was having a

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very unusual conversation with my aunt

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betty hill and uh first time i'd ever

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heard of anything like this but

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i knew that the craft had come very

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close to my aunt and uncle they were

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concerned that they might have been

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exposed to radiation and concerned about

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what occurred there was a lot of

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perplexing evidence when they arrived

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i saw the unfolding of this event the

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emotional impact it had on barney um

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my aunts

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searched for the answers

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and i could never forget about that it

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had such a huge impact and they never

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wanted the story to go public but it was

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released as the result of a violation of

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confidentiality on a very wide scale

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concentration on social science i loved

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uh doing social research studies

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after uh quite a long career

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that what i could do for intellectual

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stimulation from my home

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was to begin to investigate my aunt and

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uncle's case i joined the mutual ufo

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a very long period of time

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involving that case it's still going on

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today with a lot of new evidence in my

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new book that was just published

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my aunt and uncle's experience well

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about 30 years ago too i began speaking

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wanted to know as much as i could i

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hopkins david jacobs some of the big

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identify the characteristics that

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experience or share that are not common

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so uh i've done a great deal of research

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investigation experiments on and on um

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that and this has brought me to where i

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am today i've just released

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forbidden knowledge which is

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full of information that i thought i

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would never release but finally decided

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blew me away in a book was actually

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finding out how much you were embedded

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in betty's life um especially after uh

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her husband died barney he died quite

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young too wasn't he 46 47

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46 years old he said

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massive cerebral hemorrhage yeah that's

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young that's very young and you said

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that the stress of that of what he had

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experienced he took it differently than

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the way that betty took it like he

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seemed to take it a lot harder than she

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did he absolutely did and i think that

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historical background he you know he was

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raised in a segregated society

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he never had the opportunities that a

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world war ii had an impact on him as

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um and in a hospital in fair condition

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a very different kind of background my

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grandfather was active in town politics

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board of selectmen for the town

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yeah no just and then finding out that

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like you were dealing with her when she

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the go-to for everything taking down her

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diary notes you were going to do the

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groceries you cooked you clean you also

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had to maintain the house like you you

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the book because you lived with them and

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you you got to see the side effects of

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yes i lived with betty when i was a

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college student after barney's death and

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drove barney's car to

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college for my classes

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the same car the same car

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the car it was the station wagon okay

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that he had it wasn't the car that they

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had there okay okay i had to ask to ask

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i bet he had assisted me with my

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born in fact so i always knew that that

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was a promise she had made but after

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had to move there for finance for

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that i would always take care of her in

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for what she did for me and so

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of her home i had been about a 45 minute

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to an hour drive away so i sold my place

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did you and betty ever discuss uap

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phenomenon i know you're an experiencer

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and so is she so i'm not 100 certain on

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timelines like if your experiences were

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after the fact or whatnot but did you

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ever have discussions uh candid ones

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about that that sort of thing

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absolutely we had many many discussions

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for the book captured the betty and

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barney hill ufo experience

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because i heard about it when i was 13

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we i went they came to the house or we

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answers she was talking to air force

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officers to naval officers

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barney on the other hand had a totally

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he wanted to forget it as quickly as

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possible he thought that no good could

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that i uh drove betty along the close

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encounter root numerous times i tape

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recorded her statements i did my own

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investigation going up there with my

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husband time and time again

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always looking for a prosaic explanation

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which i couldn't find uh betty was very

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much a nuts and bolts kind of person she

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would have uh heated discussions you

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and i would always say well betty don't

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you think that these et's if they had

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the ability to come here

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scientifically using physics

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to pass a human body through a solid

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and her answer was always well if

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somebody told me that it happened to

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them i'd ask to see the repair bill

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very nuts and bolts and in her approach

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encouraged me to be that way too so for

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it seems like it used to be just when

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you say nuts and bolts i've heard that

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term a lot people want something they

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can dig their teeth into and now with

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you know where studies have caught up

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and even with strange places like

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skinwalker ranch and things like that

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you know we didn't really think there

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was a connection between ufos or bigfoot

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or cryptids or paranormal or

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you know even poltergeist activity but

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the deeper down this rabbit hole we seem

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to go and many investigators and

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researchers are all kind of coming to

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the same conclusion that we thought we

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had something that you know tangible we

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were making progress and now it's just

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stranger than we ever thought it was and

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it's like we're almost back to square

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one again because of the the wide

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variety of phenomenon that people report

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and a lot of ufo experiencers

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they seem to take on physiological

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happenings whether they have experiences

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again or something spooky happens at

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home or like shadow people or whatever

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it all seems to be

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like an ongoing effect you don't just

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have an experience you may also have

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medical conditions after or you know

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things that we can't even begin to

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explain as a result so we're definitely

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getting uh getting stranger and stranger

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and it's it it's time for some big

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brains and people such as yourself to to

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help us all really understand this at

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more of a spiritual level

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yes absolutely and

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my family had some of this paranormal

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activity occur

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in our home after a craft landed on my

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grandparents farm which was

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the craft landed

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about 160 feet away from my childhood

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home

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and my mother and i

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remembered being taken we weren't didn't

335
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remember being taken to craft but we

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remembered finding ourselves

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on craft in a very frightening situation

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and after that occurred

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we started to have light orbs

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in my childhood home sometimes a door

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would open

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on its own and the cat would walk in and

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the door would close and

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that even happened when we had company

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my father was a boy scout leader and he

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was having a committee meeting when that

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happened one night so that was rather

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startling

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one time i was sleeping in my mother's

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bed when my husband and i were visiting

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from another state and

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we felt something unseen walking on the

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bed

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it didn't know what it was it wasn't a

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cat we turned on the lights we looked

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and this very strange thing was

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occurring

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i found a letter that betty wrote

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and it was in her files and and she

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said

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these things are happening to barney and

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i

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and also

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uh to my family members we do not

365
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believe in ghosts but we believe that

366
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these et's could be unseen to us

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so

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uh even though she was very nuts and

369
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bolts oriented she had that question

370
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what's going on and yes absolutely i've

371
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discovered that they can be unseen to us

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because

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they are

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dimension

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you might say they and the difference

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between the dimensions is the rate the

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vibratory rate

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so

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theoretically

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in physics everything has a vibratory

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rate

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none of us are completely solid

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that our atoms are moving

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and so

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when you

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talk about this you only have to think

387
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these ets

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have said that they're in the

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fifth and sixth dimensions

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that only means that the vibratory rate

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is faster

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so we can't see them we have a limited

393
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visual range

394
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now

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if these et's come into your environment

396
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you can

397
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tingling sensation in your bodies

398
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this this goes all the way back to betty

399
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and barney when they were attempting to

400
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speed down the highway to evade this ufo

401
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that was chasing them just over the top

402
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:34,720
of their car and they heard these

403
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buzzing sounds striking their the trunk

404
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of their car

405
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this tingling sensation passed through

406
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their bodies it was an electrical

407
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tingling sensation

408
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so

409
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there there are things that we couldn't

410
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explain back then for barney there was

411
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uh when he was standing in the field and

412
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the craft was hovering over only a

413
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hundred feet overhead and descending in

414
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his direction

415
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he

416
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or a rope or what it was

417
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today we know that this is a beam which

418
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is sort of a tractor beam it appears to

419
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be inter-dimensional and i actually have

420
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video that i'm going to be showing in at

421
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most of my lectures this year that has

422
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been caught on

423
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a few seconds

424
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of film

425
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and one of the biggest cases i've ever

426
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worked on three people one a confirmed

427
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,440
experiencer

428
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and that

429
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i arranged for two highly respected

430
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,480
paranormal investigators to go to this

431
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experiencer's home

432
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to conduct an investigation to see if

433
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they could capture any

434
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,200
evidence they went there they had all

435
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their equipment set up they had a video

436
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:06,480
camera in one part of the yard to try to

437
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,799
capture a ufo well they did captured not

438
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:12,480
the ufo

439
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:16,400
but they uh had this craft come in

440
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and suddenly all the equipment they were

441
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:20,559
holding in their hands was no longer in

442
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their hands they were reeling back and

443
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,200
forth they were feeling nauseated they

444
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picked up all the equipment they had to

445
00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:28,400
find it first

446
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under a bush walked back into the

447
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experiencer's home

448
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:35,840
and the experiencer's wife was there

449
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,080
saying where have you been

450
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and they said just out in the yard

451
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:42,080
and she said no you weren't i was

452
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looking for you

453
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,919
uh do you know what time it is

454
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,000
they went outside at ten o'clock they

455
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thought it was still only eleven o'clock

456
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,919
it was actually one o'clock in the

457
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morning

458
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,039
you're you're

459
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,440
i'm sorry your mom experienced that as

460
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,760
well right grocery shopping one day she

461
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,600
you mentioned that in the book i believe

462
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:03,280
that she went out grocery shopping and

463
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,720
then experienced this

464
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,400
missing time you guys were all worried

465
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,559
that she had gotten into a car crash or

466
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,360
something yes absolutely yeah and when

467
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,600
she arrived home the frozen food was

468
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:14,880
thought

469
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,440
oh really this missing time is pretty

470
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:20,000
common among experiencers

471
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,520
um but what happened is i was able to

472
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,880
obtain film from that camera

473
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:29,360
in that case i was just talking about

474
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and on it it shows a uh an indigo beam

475
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:36,400
and it shows

476
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:39,919
an entity dropping off that beam

477
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:43,200
and that entity is not solid

478
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:46,799
initially it's translucent but becomes

479
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:50,000
solid as it descends toward the ground

480
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,520
there were several

481
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:52,559
entities

482
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,000
captured and during my ex my lectures

483
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,720
this year i'm going to be showing

484
00:20:03,830 --> 00:19:59,840
the

485
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:03,840
that video and those entities that i was

486
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,600
able to capture and in my frame by frame

487
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:08,960
analysis

488
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,960
in the first few seconds before they

489
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,440
realized what was going on i'm talking

490
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,400
about the et's realizing right

491
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,080
it's almost like we're only programmed

492
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,320
to pick up and physiologically this is

493
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,159
true we are only programmed to pick up a

494
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,200
certain part of the spectrum visually

495
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,200
audibly you know we can't hear super

496
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,200
super low frequencies or super super

497
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high kind of like a dog whistle only a

498
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,360
dog can hear it because that vibration

499
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,400
is in tune with their physiology so you

500
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,240
know and even if you study quantum

501
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,280
physics and it's almost like what we see

502
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,919
is just the best version our brains can

503
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:45,760
make of what we see it may not actually

504
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be the reality we know so when you see

505
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,039
things dematerializing and i mean maybe

506
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:53,679
that's how they travel crazy distances

507
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,240
is not by actual propulsion machinery

508
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,960
maybe there's a dematerialization

509
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,880
and then a reappearance somewhere far

510
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,960
far away like if you can figure out how

511
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,720
that vibration works that's like the

512
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,880
instant highway and you know and when

513
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,720
you look at quantum entanglement and you

514
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,320
know you move one thing here something

515
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,880
else is also affected uh you know maybe

516
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,039
it's it's way above our pay grade to

517
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,360
even try to understand a percentage of

518
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,799
this type of stuff

519
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:21,520
yes uh you know it looks like magic to

520
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:22,400
us

521
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technological

522
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level of development uh we have a long

523
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way to go to

524
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,039
to reach that point scientists

525
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:35,360
theoretical physicists are attempting to

526
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,880
understand that are developing theories

527
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,679
on it uh it appears to be

528
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,080
interdimensional in neighbor in nature

529
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,720
and some of those physicists believe

530
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,679
that these entities are actually on some

531
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distant planet and actually have the

532
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,159
ability to

533
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:56,720
project

534
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,320
sort of images or holograms

535
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,600
and that's what we believe is uh craft

536
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,760
and non-human entities but they're

537
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,240
actually on another planet

538
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,880
i don't know about that because being an

539
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:13,039
experiencer and being in that

540
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,240
environment

541
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:16,559
everything seemed very nuts and bolts to

542
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:20,720
me it was physical and i was with

543
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,200
um sentient beings at least the uh the

544
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,880
scientists

545
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:29,200
uh and the educators

546
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,080
seemed like sentient beings i did not

547
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,440
think they were bio robotic in any way

548
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,159
many experiences i've talked to have

549
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,679
said that they age and i saw one who had

550
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,080
aged over the years too

551
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,039
my escort so

552
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,280
yeah there's maybe there's more than one

553
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,039
thing going on

554
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,200
for sure for sure

555
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,600
sorry i was being blinded by my uh my

556
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,990
i wanted to ask you kathleen because you

557
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,080
openly say that you're an experiencer

558
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,640
you've had um you know vivid things

559
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:07,440
happen so what level of detail do you

560
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,240
actually recall is it kind of like fuzzy

561
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,400
memories like i was here and then i only

562
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,600
remembered it after or do you remember

563
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,000
it as if like it happened i was here i

564
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,919
remember going with them we went on the

565
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,840
craft it looked like this like do you

566
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,480
have that level of sort of granular

567
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,720
detail with some of your experiences

568
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,559
in terms of

569
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,320
uh memory

570
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,520
i

571
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,559
had

572
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:34,720
my initial memory was of being on a

573
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,120
craft lying on a table there were

574
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,799
non-humans

575
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,720
around me

576
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,000
i could not remember their faces i

577
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:47,760
remembered the scenario that was

578
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,720
happening there so there was pain in my

579
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,480
body after i

580
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,440
i knew that something had happened to me

581
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,080
and the way i rationalized it

582
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,840
was to think that

583
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,120
my mother

584
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,679
had arranged for surgeons to come into

585
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
my home in the middle of the night to do

586
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,960
surgery on me because she didn't want to

587
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:11,600
frighten me i mean that's even crazier

588
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,360
in a sense than uh being on that craft

589
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,559
and and my mother was there i saw her

590
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:20,559
you know too so

591
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,440
um

592
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,760
very clear memory of that

593
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,240
it was through a very powerful ab

594
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,600
reaction

595
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,840
as i tried to remember what they looked

596
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,640
like that i finally did remember

597
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,039
and was able to draw a sketch of what

598
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,559
they looked like

599
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,919
um

600
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,799
so

601
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,279
but uh

602
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:43,279
dr james harder

603
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,960
worked with both my mother and i he was

604
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,960
from the university of california at

605
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,640
berkeley i

606
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,559
worked as a professor in the engineering

607
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,760
department

608
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:56,480
and was also the aerial research

609
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:57,799
phenomena

610
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,640
association's uh or ariel apro apro i

611
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,039
got that mixed up aerial phenomena

612
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:08,240
research organization uh he was their

613
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,039
chief

614
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:12,559
abduction investigator so he hypnotized

615
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:13,360
us

616
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,880
and we remembered more details

617
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,919
of what had occurred

618
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,120
um this was in the 1970s but

619
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,360
it was only a couple of hypnosis

620
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,000
sessions and very short

621
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,799
so but he gave us the post-hypnotic

622
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,960
suggestion that we would be able to

623
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:34,240
remember

624
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,200
more

625
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,080
and that we would attempt to

626
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,400
acquire evidence

627
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:41,520
so

628
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,559
years i was able to gather

629
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:48,960
evidence sometimes i gathered it and

630
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:52,080
destroyed it i think i was instructed to

631
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,279
do that

632
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:54,799
and

633
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,159
um so i've always had some memories

634
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,559
uh i've had an awareness that they were

635
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,440
going to come i would be extraordinarily

636
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,520
frightened for

637
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:06,880
much of this

638
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,919
as i was waiting i would be awake when

639
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,679
they came

640
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,360
and

641
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,240
then i'd find myself on craft i did not

642
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,120
remember how i arrived to the craft

643
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,200
i could never remember that part of it

644
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,200
that seems to be a common a common thing

645
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,799
amongst abductees that they don't

646
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,039
remember the transition from even if

647
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,799
let's say they're in their rooms to

648
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,240
being on board of the craft there's

649
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,400
there's that gap there so

650
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,279
yes

651
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,679
and some people remember being walked to

652
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,200
craft but

653
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:38,400
i

654
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,159
uh

655
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:49,279
an interdimensional

656
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,559
portal of sorts that into that ufo and i

657
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,240
of course i started vibrating at a

658
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,880
higher rate my body came apart

659
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,360
and that's why i can't remember it

660
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,360
that's what i think happened

661
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:05,360
and then when i was in their environment

662
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,760
i was whole and i think that maybe the

663
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,240
reason that i became disabled with

664
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,200
illness

665
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,880
was because

666
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,360
of that process of being taken there

667
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,000
time and time again

668
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,320
how many times uh are we talking here

669
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,720
was this you know a half a dozen or is

670
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:23,919
this something that you've experienced

671
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,279
for years and years and many many times

672
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:30,480
i've experienced it for many years from

673
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,200
uh at least from the age of 17.

674
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,399
it occurred more frequently when i was

675
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,240
in my

676
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,360
sort of 25 to

677
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,640
no maybe about 32

678
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,799
something like that um

679
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,760
every

680
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,399
maybe three months i i can't say for

681
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,880
certain it just all i remember is it

682
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,600
occurred frequently and on three

683
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,480
occasions people saw the craft

684
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,960
on one of those occasions

685
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,120
the people saw the craft

686
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,679
near my house and they knocked on my

687
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,840
door they were looking for me

688
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,320
but i wasn't there they couldn't find me

689
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,200
i was probably on that craft i i had

690
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,360
memories of being on craft

691
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,880
that night

692
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,320
so

693
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,520
um then as i grew older

694
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,000
uh it was interfering

695
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,000
really when i was in my 40s i was ill it

696
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:33,200
was interfering with my ability to

697
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,039
uh become well or feel well because they

698
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,200
were keeping me up during the night

699
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,880
about once a year

700
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:43,679
and so i said i asked them

701
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,440
to just let me sleep through it

702
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,200
and so i think that i slept through it

703
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,919
because i'd awaken for example with

704
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,159
blood on my navel

705
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,000
feeling a kind of a pinching pain

706
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,240
but i would not remember

707
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,880
always being taken sometimes i remember

708
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,360
being taken if i was awake when it

709
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,799
occurred

710
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,480
is it always the same

711
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,120
group of entities they were right were

712
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,720
they recognizable like that's the one

713
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,159
with the funny ear and that's small with

714
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,799
the scar on his head that kind of thing

715
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,520
i recognized my escort

716
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,000
uh we had a relationship

717
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,000
and we were take uh

718
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,600
i liked him

719
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,320
we and he always came to me

720
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:31,039
time and time again

721
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,559
one time

722
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:35,520
and this was much later on in it was in

723
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,630
i was

724
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:44,640
taken

725
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,600
maybe by denise stoner's group

726
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,240
i don't know

727
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,760
it was

728
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,360
let me tell you a little bit she and i

729
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,399
were had and my father had been to

730
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,640
uh saint pete to

731
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:02,080
a a ufo meeting a mufon meeting

732
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,880
and paula harris was speaking

733
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:05,440
[Music]

734
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,360
and we on the on our return home

735
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,600
uh that night my gps started to

736
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,120
malfunction

737
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,159
uh i ended up on a

738
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,640
just a lonely road and realized that i

739
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,120
wasn't supposed to be there and

740
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,520
turned around went directly back to the

741
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,880
highway

742
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,320
and turned the gps off then denise and i

743
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,880
my father were just talking the entire

744
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,760
time

745
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:34,559
and then everything was quiet and she

746
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,440
and i

747
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,440
remembered sort of feeling like we were

748
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:39,039
going uphill

749
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,840
and

750
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,760
there are no hills there

751
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,000
where we were driving

752
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,520
and so

753
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,720
um

754
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,919
her

755
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,159
she might i don't know we have this

756
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,000
point of confusion

757
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,080
if we were taken together

758
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,720
under hypnosis she remembered walking

759
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,159
by a room

760
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,440
where there

761
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,399
was a man and a woman sitting on a bench

762
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:04,960
the man was elderly and bald like my

763
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,330
father the woman

764
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,760
[Music]

765
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,159
was wearing sort of the outfit that i

766
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,399
was wearing but she couldn't say for

767
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,360
certain if it was us

768
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:18,720
we all arrived home late that night

769
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,760
i think she was later than we were

770
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,919
she remembered finding herself on a

771
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,440
different road

772
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,480
than

773
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,559
she had been driving on

774
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:31,679
she was on like a lonely road next to a

775
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,640
lake she saw a giant red-orange orb rise

776
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,159
up out of the lake

777
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,640
she remembered seeing her

778
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,760
escort

779
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,000
and then she remembered finding herself

780
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,000
in her driveway

781
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,240
and her husband being concerned about

782
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,480
why she was so late

783
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,760
so

784
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,960
and her

785
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,440
her insulin pump was not

786
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,200
working it was

787
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:58,880
she it was buzzing even though it was a

788
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,159
new battery um her cell phone had

789
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,880
stopped working completely that sort of

790
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:05,679
thing

791
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,840
the next night is when i found myself

792
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,840
on a craft

793
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,279
i woke up

794
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,760
when i was dropped on a table

795
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,240
i opened i was on my side

796
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,159
i opened my eyes and i saw a little

797
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:24,159
entity that i'd never seen before it

798
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,919
looked robot look robotic or bio-robotic

799
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:32,480
it was about six inches probably from my

800
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,679
face it was very startling it did not

801
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,640
look

802
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,679
at all like it was a sentient being the

803
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,480
face was completely flat it had a round

804
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,200
head like a basketball

805
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,559
the eyes

806
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,440
although they were black had sort of a

807
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,559
silver

808
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,840
outline almost like metal

809
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,720
i didn't notice a nose but i noticed a

810
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,000
little mouth

811
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,440
that move that sort of did a smile

812
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,440
in a sense it moved

813
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,640
uh when i opened my eyes and and looked

814
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,080
at it

815
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,600
and then the two taller entities down at

816
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,640
the foot of the table

817
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,799
there were two or three i'm not certain

818
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,880
i didn't have my glasses on i was older

819
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,360
then and needed glasses so they were

820
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,919
kind of fuzzy to me but i know that they

821
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,919
were much taller than i was accustomed

822
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,519
to seeing

823
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,399
and this little guy was not anything

824
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,039
like what i was accustomed to seeing

825
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,720
either

826
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,320
and so

827
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,389
uh when i was dropped i had had to have

828
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,399
some physical therapy

829
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,880
the next morning i was feeling pretty

830
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,640
terrible

831
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,000
physically

832
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,320
and i said to my father i think i was

833
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,880
taken last night my father's who lived

834
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,600
in the guest house beside my house

835
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,679
uh said

836
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,159
well i think you were too because i saw

837
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,279
a strange light or strange lights got up

838
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,200
in the middle of the night and saw them

839
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,359
outside the window

840
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,119
and so um

841
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,119
you know that was some confirmation that

842
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,359
i it probably did in addition to the

843
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,679
injuries i received

844
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,159
so you mentioned before that um you know

845
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,000
having worked with over 5000

846
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,599
experiencers that

847
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,839
they all share some characteristics or

848
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,639
features that is not common

849
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,000
do you want to touch up a little bit on

850
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,440
that like what have you found with the

851
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,919
abductees or the experiencers what what

852
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,159
is it that they have that the general

853
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:37,520
population

854
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,560
are not

855
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:39,839
as

856
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,560
well in our study

857
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:46,800
the majority of

858
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,480
the abductee group as was determined by

859
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,359
uh the american personality inventory

860
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:56,320
administered and graded by dr don c don

861
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,359
derry

862
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:59,599
um

863
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,400
so

864
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,160
these were people who were alien

865
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,240
abductees then we had the group of

866
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,920
people who had just taken the exam

867
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,000
and we had uh

868
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,720
i had already removed those who didn't

869
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:15,359
complete the exam and those who we were

870
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,589
so um what we discovered is that the

871
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,960
majority

872
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:26,560
uh had

873
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,440
observed a craft up close at least one

874
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,880
time

875
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,160
they had

876
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,720
conscious recall of observing non-human

877
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,760
entities at least one time

878
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,560
their family members had as well

879
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,560
they had been taken to craft so we

880
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,040
discovered that there was definitely a

881
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,960
genetic family link there

882
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,000
also

883
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,960
that

884
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,040
these experiencers

885
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,079
had become more spiritual

886
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:58,800
a very very high percentage of the

887
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,720
abductee group had become more spiritual

888
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,599
um

889
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:04,880
they had

890
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,760
empathic where they it's a psychic sense

891
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,320
of being able to experience what is

892
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:15,040
going on inside of another person's body

893
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,160
as if

894
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,000
it's your own i do this if i get into

895
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,400
their auric realm

896
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:25,599
i try to shut that off but when i work

897
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,720
with experiencers sometimes i get into

898
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,400
their auric realm

899
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,200
and i can i experience that in my own

900
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,790
they

901
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,430
are psychic or intuitive

902
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,240
there are many who are mediums

903
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,520
which is very surprising to me but

904
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,440
something just something i learned i

905
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,839
don't have statistics on that i

906
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,720
discovered that after we had done our

907
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,720
studies

908
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,320
they uh

909
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,040
we asked the question about sleep her

910
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,200
out actually two questions about sleep

911
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,560
paralysis

912
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,280
have you been awakened during the night

913
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,359
feeling paralyzed and

914
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:12,240
able to move only your eyes

915
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,680
well a very high percentage said yes

916
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,720
the next question was

917
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,560
have you awakened

918
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,520
during the night

919
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,480
seeing

920
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:28,079
non-humans in your environment

921
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,760
and then became paralyzed

922
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,040
now it was a fairly low like 36 40

923
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,560
percent among

924
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:38,640
the entire group

925
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,640
but among the group of those who were

926
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,440
abductees

927
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,480
it was highly statistically significant

928
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:48,839
so this was definitely not sleep

929
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:53,280
paralysis or this group of abductees

930
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,359
they experienced everything at a higher

931
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,240
rate

932
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:01,200
one of the questions we asked is

933
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:02,160
uh

934
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:07,200
if you could end this today would you

935
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,040
among the experiencers overall 71

936
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:14,320
said no i do not want it to end

937
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,400
among the abductee group 74

938
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,920
said no i do not want it to end

939
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:23,760
if you compare that to the edgar

940
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,910
experiencers

941
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,470
survey it was a i guess the e the

942
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,280
uh

943
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,200
experiencers

944
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,359
questionnaire i think is what they what

945
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:41,280
we called it

946
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,040
but for them it was 83 percent that

947
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,240
would not want to end these experiences

948
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,760
if they could

949
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,560
so

950
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,920
uh

951
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,560
you have to think that this must not be

952
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,920
as frightening

953
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,599
or as horrific

954
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,040
or

955
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,160
intrusive as we always thought that it

956
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:04,560
was and what we discovered

957
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,760
is that experiencers over

958
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,560
many many years have sort of established

959
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,000
a friendly relationship with these ets

960
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,400
if they ask for healing they're being

961
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:17,520
healed

962
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,960
among our abductees 45

963
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,720
had been healed when they asked for

964
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,119
healing

965
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,400
um

966
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,480
they were also

967
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:32,000
early on experiencing health problems as

968
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,200
i did

969
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,280
and uh

970
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:36,800
they had

971
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,880
53 percent had migraine headaches 45 had

972
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,400
nose bleeds

973
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,160
uh 44

974
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,280
had a medical diagnosis of chronic

975
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,400
fatigue and immune dysfunction syndrome

976
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,280
only 18 said that they had uh

977
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,359
fibromyalgia

978
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,960
so um

979
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,079
but

980
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:01,359
you get over that over time

981
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,040
uh paranormal experiences 61 percent of

982
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,319
the overall experiences said yes they

983
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,119
they'd had these in their homes 50

984
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,599
for the abductee group

985
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,640
um

986
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,160
looking

987
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,240
orbs in the home

988
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,520
61

989
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,520
over all

990
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,400
50 percent of the abductee group

991
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,119
had seen orbs that's appeared to be

992
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,079
intelligently controlled in their homes

993
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,640
uh motion in the mattress

994
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,839
58

995
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,200
overall

996
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:36,960
75

997
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:40,000
for abductees

998
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,720
so

999
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,640
quite significant

1000
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,280
do you think there's a reason why they

1001
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,119
sort of erase your memory after you've

1002
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:49,200
had an encounter with them is there a

1003
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
specific

1004
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,400
reason why they're doing this is it's

1005
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,079
hard on their psyche because obviously

1006
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,480
there's a need to know for experiencers

1007
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,800
experiencers want to know what happened

1008
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,480
they want to know more about who these

1009
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,000
entities are

1010
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,560
but it seems like they just do this

1011
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:06,960
brainwash thing on people do you think

1012
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:13,510
there are so many answers that i have

1013
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,520
for that um now first of all

1014
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,960
they want us to remember part of it they

1015
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:23,359
want us to remember the part

1016
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,119
of the educational part about uh

1017
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:29,599
their concern about our use of nuclear

1018
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,200
weapons their concern about a collapse

1019
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,920
of our environment

1020
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,079
and that it could lead to our

1021
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,359
destruction

1022
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:41,520
they have been giving this information

1023
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,440
to experiencers for many many years

1024
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,440
but most of us

1025
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,440
are returned to our home

1026
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,480
without the memory that they want us to

1027
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,680
have

1028
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:55,920
now on the other hand

1029
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,240
they don't want us to be traumatized by

1030
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,880
this experience so they've they've

1031
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,920
appeared to have wiped out this memory

1032
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:07,680
uh in order

1033
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,280
to assist us now what i've discovered is

1034
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,200
regardless of whether or not you have a

1035
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,520
highly positive or highly negative

1036
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,440
experience

1037
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:19,280
you come out feeling traumatized

1038
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,400
initially

1039
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,520
right

1040
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,440
because you don't know what happened you

1041
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,640
only know

1042
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,560
that you were taken

1043
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,119
a lot of people don't remember

1044
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,960
they recall being on the table but they

1045
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,960
don't recall exactly what happened when

1046
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,880
they were there right

1047
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,079
or being taken to craft and don't know

1048
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,319
what happened on craft

1049
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,000
so uh

1050
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,880
i don't know the answer for that

1051
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,160
all i know is that uh a lot of people

1052
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,319
feel much better

1053
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,160
uh after they have had emdr therapy with

1054
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,760
a qualified

1055
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,440
psychotherapist

1056
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:58,400
or

1057
00:43:03,430 --> 00:42:59,760
have had

1058
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:03,440
hypnosis hypnotherapy

1059
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,680
by a qualified licensed psychotherapist

1060
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:10,079
were there any cases of the many many

1061
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,359
thousands that you've you know

1062
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,880
researched were there any that really

1063
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,599
stood out like people with so much

1064
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:18,079
detail in their story that it's you know

1065
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,839
even if you're a skeptic it would be

1066
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,000
near impossible to doubt you know like

1067
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,160
are there any really memorable ones that

1068
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,880
stand out in your mind

1069
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,359
well with all of the experiences that

1070
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:31,839
i've worked with i've always taught them

1071
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,240
how to collect evidence and if they were

1072
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,079
able to collect evidence then i

1073
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,319
continued to have a relationship with

1074
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
them if this is what they wanted i had a

1075
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,640
case in

1076
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,560
um in canada

1077
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,319
winnipeg

1078
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,200
for

1079
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,440
an experiencer who

1080
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,720
collected evidence over many many years

1081
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,920
and

1082
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:59,030
being able to

1083
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,839
have

1084
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,200
evidence

1085
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,079
that he was healed

1086
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,760
from lymphoma

1087
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:07,760
by an orb

1088
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,280
that was actually captured on video

1089
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,720
coming into his room after he and i were

1090
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,520
both

1091
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,000
uh sending telepathic messages for

1092
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:20,160
healing for him

1093
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,119
and

1094
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,440
the next day after

1095
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,720
this happened

1096
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,839
the very large nodes that he had on the

1097
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:30,400
side of his neck were no longer visible

1098
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:34,720
he went in for surgery and uh

1099
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,240
though he only four tiny necrotic nodes

1100
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,319
were removed they were no longer

1101
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,400
cancerous

1102
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,880
so uh it was

1103
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:47,280
really something he also

1104
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,800
captured uh photographs of some of these

1105
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,280
entities not not very good

1106
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,800
but one of them

1107
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,599
uh certainly did not look like an e.t to

1108
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,400
me it looked like an elf

1109
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,319
so i don't know maybe there are many

1110
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,839
things going on through this

1111
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:05,680
interdimensional portal that seemed to

1112
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,440
be open to his home

1113
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:12,000
it's just amazing to look at it with its

1114
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,150
just a little round derby kind of hat

1115
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,800
uh it just didn't look like an e.t

1116
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,720
the leprechauns are real

1117
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,359
yes i mean it was more like a leprechaun

1118
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,119
in its sentence

1119
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,680
um but also his girlfriend when they

1120
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,839
were at the family camp

1121
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,880
um

1122
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,280
one night in the middle of the night

1123
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:38,880
was able to

1124
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:43,119
be awake but paralyzed and could see

1125
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,720
loads and loads of little orbs

1126
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,359
picking him up

1127
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,800
from the bed

1128
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,599
and when he was returned there was there

1129
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:56,960
were marks on his body uh something done

1130
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,800
to his lower back there was a round

1131
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,680
mark

1132
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:04,079
with a needle point so something was

1133
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,309
dr joseph burks has his medical

1134
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,599
evidence

1135
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:15,760
i collected a little bit but i wanted a

1136
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,839
medical doctor to have this evidence

1137
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,560
so that was one case

1138
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,440
um i talked about it i wrote about it in

1139
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,960
my book

1140
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,520
extraterrestrial contact what to do

1141
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,319
when you've been abducted

1142
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,440
and also another case that really stands

1143
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:38,319
out was one that i investigated it was

1144
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,720
very much like the skinwalker ranch and

1145
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:44,800
this took place in texas

1146
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,400
and the land that it took place on

1147
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:51,280
had been donated supposedly given to the

1148
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,280
white man by the native american tribe

1149
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,960
years ago

1150
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,720
and it was cursed

1151
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,119
just like the skinwalker ranch

1152
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,079
and there was highly negative activity

1153
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,000
taking place there

1154
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,440
but et's would show up as well there was

1155
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:11,200
a time slip

1156
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,480
there where

1157
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,760
one time

1158
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,920
uh the experiencer who happened to be a

1159
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,000
retired commercial pilot

1160
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:19,760
and his mother were looking out the

1161
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,559
window at this runway he was now running

1162
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,599
a small

1163
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,359
airport that did repairs

1164
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,000
they saw mammoths grazing on a grassy

1165
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,440
savannah

1166
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,319
it's

1167
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,200
an extraordinary story that is in also

1168
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,599
in my book extraterrestrial contact what

1169
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,000
to do when you've been abducted which is

1170
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,599
sort of a comprehensive guide on contact

1171
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,839
and abduction

1172
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,839
you mentioned skinwalker ranch we had

1173
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,680
george knapp and colin kelleher on the

1174
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,920
show discussing a new book

1175
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,480
skin walkers at the pentagon and

1176
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,880
they also discussed you know lights and

1177
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,960
orbs and they talked specifically about

1178
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,040
the blue ones they nicknamed them blue

1179
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,200
meanies because they seemed that anybody

1180
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,119
who had had you know the hitchhiker

1181
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,880
effect meaning they had taken some of

1182
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,640
this strangeness home with them and in

1183
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,440
their lives the people that it had um

1184
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,680
come in contact with these blue orbs

1185
00:48:16,829 --> 00:48:15,680
reported actual

1186
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,839
problems you know like

1187
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,520
immunodeficiencies uh lupus hashimoto's

1188
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,680
disease like strange really obscure

1189
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,839
diseases that most people would never

1190
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,079
even have a chance of getting and it was

1191
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,520
almost like some of these lights are

1192
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,240
healing some of them are not so much

1193
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:32,960
it's just it's a to zed of everything

1194
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,440
and everything in between as far as uh

1195
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,599
what they could possibly be and also the

1196
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,760
physical effects and a lot of people are

1197
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,920
skeptical and they want hard evidence

1198
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,240
well i mean if you're a science mind and

1199
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,920
you're studying people that have had

1200
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,240
scientific things come from their

1201
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,640
experience that's measurable

1202
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,880
you would think repeatable and it's

1203
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,800
something that you can gather data from

1204
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,960
and use to sort of further your your

1205
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:58,480
information so

1206
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,160
yes and uh dr james lecasky from the dia

1207
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,680
colm kelleher

1208
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,559
um

1209
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,440
a scientist who's working on this and of

1210
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:09,280
course george knapp

1211
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,079
whom

1212
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,839
he and i discussed this on one of his

1213
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:13,920
shows i'm going to be on his show again

1214
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,839
on sunday night and uh

1215
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:19,359
actually

1216
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:28,790
so that'll probably be groggy but anyway

1217
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,599
um

1218
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,160
yeah this is repeatable if you go to the

1219
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,720
skinwalker ranch uh

1220
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,559
you can pick this up but something i

1221
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,480
read in the book

1222
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,640
is that

1223
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,880
there was something that happened to

1224
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,599
these people who picked up these

1225
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,880
hitchhikers

1226
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:47,680
that

1227
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:53,359
them a feeling of terror

1228
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,240
what i understand about this from all of

1229
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,520
my years of research and um you know

1230
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,839
moving beyond the nuts and bolts because

1231
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:04,160
i just discovered it was scientifically

1232
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,440
dishonest

1233
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,960
not to

1234
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,200
i wanted the answers

1235
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,640
well

1236
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,200
when you feel terror it lowers your

1237
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,400
vibrational frequency

1238
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,760
and

1239
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,920
these negative

1240
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,359
entities can then attach to you

1241
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:25,599
and not all et's

1242
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,640
are friendly and there are negative

1243
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,400
interdimensionals as well

1244
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,680
that uh

1245
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,800
you know

1246
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,720
that land is cursed

1247
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,359
by shamans it's been that way for

1248
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,160
more than 200 years

1249
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,160
so

1250
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,319
blue

1251
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,640
they're not the same as these sort of

1252
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:51,119
plasma orbs that have

1253
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,480
intelligence

1254
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,800
these blue

1255
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,520
solid orbs that strike people and make

1256
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,680
them sick are different and i believe

1257
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,000
that they are negative and this is

1258
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:04,640
something that's being perpetrated by

1259
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,240
the negative side of all of this because

1260
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,160
had the same problem didn't aid and i

1261
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,880
think brazil 1977 with these orbs that

1262
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,359
would zap people make them anemic i

1263
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,760
think few people died because of it as

1264
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,480
well but it was called the suck suck

1265
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,040
incident because it would suck the iron

1266
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,599
out of people's bloods and just this was

1267
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,400
going on for months but it was yeah

1268
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,720
those little blue orbs so

1269
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,880
blue nasties

1270
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:34,240
earned their names

1271
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,520
yeah they they harm people yeah uh when

1272
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,800
they hit them they can burn people

1273
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,880
uh they do

1274
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,800
they're just negative

1275
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,240
and

1276
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,280
they they do make people sick

1277
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,800
these negative interdimensional entities

1278
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,520
that have a lower vibration

1279
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,000
feed off fear

1280
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,319
of anger

1281
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,920
loathing

1282
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,359
pain

1283
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:04,720
illness

1284
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:07,760
it makes them thrive and grow

1285
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,200
and it's extraordinarily important to

1286
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,240
remove these things the paranormal

1287
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:17,520
clergy is receiving more

1288
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,400
requests

1289
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:19,760
than ever

1290
00:52:26,349 --> 00:52:23,359
to detach these things uh if you go to

1291
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,359
my website at kathleen

1292
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:28,880
martin.com you'll

1293
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,520
read some suggestions

1294
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,040
on how to

1295
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:35,200
detach these things

1296
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:36,240
so

1297
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,000
it's under my essays on contact

1298
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:41,920
so that will give you

1299
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,280
a beginning on on what to do you have to

1300
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,839
raise your vibrational frequency you

1301
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,119
have to be

1302
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,280
happy you have to avoid

1303
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,000
anything that might make you frightened

1304
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,079
or might uh cause you to become angry or

1305
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,160
you know that sort of thing so don't

1306
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:02,160
have kids is what you're saying don't

1307
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,040
have

1308
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,960
the stress of kids

1309
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,119
you've got sex your immune system that's

1310
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,800
actually true like that's what they say

1311
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,400
you know you can actually manifest

1312
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,720
positive health in your life if you're

1313
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,640
if you raise your vibrational energy to

1314
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,720
a positive one rather than dwelling in

1315
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,720
the negative it's no coincidence a lot

1316
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,800
of people that are always negative and

1317
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,520
always in that zone also have a lot of

1318
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,119
health problems and they have a lot of

1319
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,440
bad luck quote unquote you know it's

1320
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,119
sort of like your circle of influence

1321
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,920
you create it and you live within it

1322
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:34,160
whatever that energy field looks like

1323
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:35,040
you know

1324
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,800
yes and anyone

1325
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,040
can regardless of how high their energy

1326
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:40,880
field might be

1327
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:44,400
if they uh are overcome

1328
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,440
if they have a moment of uh just

1329
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,640
terror

1330
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,079
in their lives

1331
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,000
it could be caused by one of these

1332
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,160
negative entities that can get in and

1333
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,280
attach so don't think that it only

1334
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,079
impacts those who are lower vibrating

1335
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,119
people who are alcoholics opioid

1336
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,359
abusers

1337
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,000
people who have thrive on horror movies

1338
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,319
that sort of thing it can happen to

1339
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:13,359
anybody

1340
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,119
you just have to change your behavior

1341
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:20,480
you have to do what you can to keep

1342
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,319
as positive as possible because then

1343
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,400
these negative entities are not being

1344
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,720
fed they're not receiving what they're

1345
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,880
looking for and they have to look

1346
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,800
elsewhere

1347
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,240
i wanted to ask you what we have you in

1348
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,920
the show i've always been intrigued by

1349
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,839
statements people make that they were

1350
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,880
abducted and had a physical implant and

1351
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,359
i've heard stories of one particular

1352
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,280
doctor who claims to have removed four

1353
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:48,880
or five i forget the number but actual

1354
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,920
metallic little tiny chips or things

1355
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,559
that had almost like biochemistry within

1356
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,960
them they weren't you know it wasn't a

1357
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,240
different um

1358
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,200
creature or a cell it was like a metal

1359
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,440
but it seemed to fuse with the muscle

1360
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,680
tissues and it seemed to have

1361
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,280
you know and it was removable and even

1362
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,960
when they did like metallurgical you

1363
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,640
know diagnosis on it they're like yeah

1364
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,799
the isotopes of these metals don't exist

1365
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,119
on our planet so uh have you uh

1366
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,480
researched anybody that's claimed to

1367
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,400
have had an implant or dirt you know had

1368
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:19,839
some light on

1369
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,599
yes and it was dr roger lear who was the

1370
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,839
pioneer and uh

1371
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,240
along with daryl sims they worked

1372
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:29,839
together for a while and then they had a

1373
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,640
falling out but and dr rogelier

1374
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,160
continued with this and had surgeons who

1375
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,960
worked with him to remove these implants

1376
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:39,839
they

1377
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:44,720
implants were coated with a biological

1378
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,839
substance very hard that prevented them

1379
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,640
from being rejected from the body they

1380
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,680
were connected to proprioceptor nerve

1381
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,319
fibers in the body they appeared to have

1382
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:58,880
intelligence

1383
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,319
when the surgeons went to remove them

1384
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,920
they attempted to

1385
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,319
flee from the scalpel

1386
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,240
they would move up the

1387
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:10,480
the arm for example if it was in the

1388
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,599
hand up the leg if it was in the foot

1389
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,880
so

1390
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:16,640
they would try to escape

1391
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,319
uh the ets now seem to be planting them

1392
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,839
in places that are

1393
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,000
much more difficult to reach

1394
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,079
such as uh in

1395
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,839
in the jawbone

1396
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,520
under the teeth

1397
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:31,359
uh

1398
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,760
you remove them it could cause paralysis

1399
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,200
yeah i've heard of a guy had one of his

1400
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,960
brain stem and they said yeah we could

1401
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,640
try to get it out but you're gonna die

1402
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,720
one way or the other it's so deep in

1403
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,799
there it's impossible to access

1404
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:49,599
yes yes so

1405
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,400
but

1406
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,640
in a couple of those

1407
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,040
implants that were removed

1408
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,520
they discovered that they transmitted

1409
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,359
into deep space

1410
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:01,760
for about i think it was one or two

1411
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,119
months and then shut down

1412
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,880
and uh

1413
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,079
also

1414
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,119
made of a crystalline structure

1415
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:13,839
of

1416
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:17,440
metallic substances that are either rare

1417
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,280
earths or meteoric in origin right

1418
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,640
technology

1419
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,839
far in advance of our own

1420
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,280
nanotechnology for sure

1421
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,960
and it's almost like if it happened to

1422
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,480
me i wouldn't be too sure if i want to

1423
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,079
remove it because what if it's there for

1424
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,480
a good reason what if they told me look

1425
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,079
don't remove this when you gain

1426
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,160
consciousness and uh you go ahead and do

1427
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,559
so and it just turns out to get diabetes

1428
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:42,799
or something like who knows right yeah

1429
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,240
and i i agree it's not a good idea to

1430
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:49,119
remove them uh one of the experiencers

1431
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,880
the one in in canada that i spoke of uh

1432
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,839
had his removed by his physician

1433
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:57,440
and

1434
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,480
regretted it terribly he was feeling

1435
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,720
very remorseful

1436
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,559
and then

1437
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,319
i just said to him well don't worry

1438
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,920
they'll put another one in and

1439
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,599
they'll come and he was back to being

1440
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,480
himself and and yes and they did

1441
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,359
insert another one apparently and

1442
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,359
he was doing fine again

1443
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,640
and so

1444
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,359
they do have some positive

1445
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,200
uh

1446
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,960
reasons for being there

1447
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,160
to monitor the health of the human body

1448
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:32,400
to be able to communicate with

1449
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,960
experiencers i believe as well and

1450
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:38,319
so

1451
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,839
i don't know if there's still

1452
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:44,079
a reason for uh

1453
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,359
for them to

1454
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:46,880
find us

1455
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,319
uh i'm i'm i've never been certain that

1456
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,400
that was the reason they were placed

1457
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,559
right in our bodies because they could

1458
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,040
probably find us anywhere anyways right

1459
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,119
just through we emit

1460
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:02,079
a certain a signal or a light they say

1461
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,040
that

1462
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,040
they can see the light coming from our

1463
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:07,119
bodies

1464
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:08,079
so

1465
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,119
and

1466
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:11,119
that seems to be the signature from what

1467
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,640
i understand

1468
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,960
one of the nicest things in the book

1469
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,440
that you wrote was betty and barney

1470
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,440
embody all the traits that exemplify

1471
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,599
what good humans should be

1472
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,839
they are kind loving compassionate

1473
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,640
intelligent curious educated and believe

1474
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,559
in equal rights

1475
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,319
and just that little passage i thought

1476
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
was beautifully written because it is

1477
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,240
true they were really good-hearted

1478
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,640
people um and you hear that all the time

1479
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,160
even on skin walker ranch like the

1480
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,839
people were the salt of the earth you

1481
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,960
know

1482
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,480
it's always these people that seem to

1483
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,240
have these occurrences you never hear

1484
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,480
some bad guy in prison having

1485
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,559
alien abductions i mean i haven't yet

1486
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,480
but it's always good people that tend to

1487
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,200
be having these occurrences so do you

1488
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:55,119
think that's intentional do you think

1489
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,720
that people are picked out that way

1490
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:58,160
because of their personality because of

1491
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,599
their traits

1492
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:01,119
because i've never heard of anybody

1493
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,000
being

1494
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,000
on the ship and just all right well

1495
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,079
besides calvin parker who ended up

1496
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,640
punching one but besides that

1497
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,079
in a few weeks we're gonna ask him what

1498
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,920
was it like to be the only guy on record

1499
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,480
to beat up an alien yeah it's he's the

1500
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:16,079
only one that we know of but besides

1501
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,079
that most people yeah and i i thought it

1502
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,079
was very beautifully written that you

1503
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,240
would say that about them because yeah

1504
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,880
it gives you an insight into them yeah

1505
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,640
yes and

1506
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,559
i asked the et's

1507
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:31,119
how they selected people

1508
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,960
and they said that initially

1509
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,760
they

1510
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,599
just took people

1511
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,079
up opportunistically

1512
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:42,000
kids on the back lands of the family

1513
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,960
farm

1514
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,160
um

1515
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,079
people who are out hunting or fishing or

1516
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,400
camping or whatever right

1517
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,240
and then when they found what they were

1518
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,319
looking for

1519
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,880
they took them along family lines

1520
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:57,520
so i know that they were looking for

1521
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,160
something in particular i know that they

1522
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:02,079
were attempting

1523
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,280
to

1524
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,359
change humans

1525
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,240
on an evolutionary scale

1526
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:11,599
and that part of being an experiencer

1527
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:12,400
uh

1528
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,359
has

1529
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,520
these very positive

1530
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,040
qualities

1531
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:19,200
right and the children born to

1532
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,720
experiencers also seem to have these

1533
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:25,440
positive qualities as well

1534
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:29,119
um highly spiritual for example kind

1535
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,319
caring

1536
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,640
compassionate

1537
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,319
which are all the good traits of humans

1538
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,559
if we could just all focus on that right

1539
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,440
yeah well yes yes

1540
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,119
i heard you mention in another interview

1541
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,440
that it's almost like the ets are trying

1542
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:45,520
to tell us that our technological

1543
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,640
advancement is not on in par with our

1544
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:51,440
spiritual advancement and that perhaps

1545
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,319
in you know species previous to us that

1546
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,640
was their undoing or their demise so

1547
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,559
maybe it's a galactic lesson that

1548
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,400
they're trying to teach us and prevent

1549
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,640
from happening again like get to the

1550
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,119
higher realm of understanding don't blow

1551
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,440
yourself up with military that's not the

1552
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,520
way to get advanced enough to see the

1553
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:10,960
stars right

1554
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,160
yes absolutely they told me this and

1555
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:16,880
they told other experiencers on the

1556
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,039
open-ended questions on our studies this

1557
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,240
as well others repeated it that you know

1558
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,559
ours technological development is simply

1559
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,440
out of sync with our spiritual growth

1560
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,240
and uh when this happens it could lead

1561
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,559
to the disintegration of the species

1562
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,400
that those were the words they used to

1563
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,640
make disintegration of the species

1564
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,920
integration

1565
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:41,760
yes if you were to use

1566
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,799
heavy work to use uh louis do you have

1567
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,280
any final questions for our guests today

1568
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,039
yeah i think it's been an awesome show i

1569
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,039
think we covered a lot of material and

1570
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,599
uh such a pleasant person and just

1571
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,440
absolutely you know you can feel other

1572
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,799
people's energy when you're in their

1573
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,559
presence some people make you feel good

1574
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,880
some people you just feel drained i feel

1575
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,280
good i feel like i've learned something

1576
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,799
hopefully our listeners have as well

1577
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,799
that's the whole point of our show and

1578
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,119
uh what a credible and amazing person to

1579
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,200
have on the show kathleen martin

1580
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,559
and now

1581
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,319
also the book forbidden knowledge a

1582
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,240
personal journey from alien abduction to

1583
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:18,400
spiritual transformation is available

1584
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,680
right now kathleen where can we get uh a

1585
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:23,599
copy of this book

1586
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,039
uh you can

1587
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,760
acquire a copy of this book at

1588
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,520
amazon.com

1589
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:31,520
and also

1590
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,440
from my website at kathleen

1591
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:37,119
martin.com

1592
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:38,799
via paypal

1593
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:42,710
you can also

1594
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,760
i will autograph it oh nice if you want

1595
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,240
your name on it just let me know and

1596
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:50,559
i'll put your name on it as well that is

1597
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,599
awesome

1598
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:53,599
we'll take two one for louis one for

1599
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,190
jason

1600
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,160
[Laughter]

1601
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:57,599
kathleen martin thank you so much for

1602
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,000
coming on uap studies podcast today we

1603
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,920
really appreciate it and please come on

1604
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,680
back whenever whenever you want this

1605
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,440
podcast is open to you

1606
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:07,839
well thank you so much i enjoyed my time